About Those Criminal Orthodox Jews of Brooklyn

Yossi GestetnerIf you read or watch press/media reports and editorials regarding the Orthodox Jewish Community, you go away with the sense that their leaders are massive crooks and their followers are of the worse kind. The NY Post editorializes Saturday that the four arrested for taking photos in court (including one against whom charges were dropped and another who is a friend of the victim’s husband) “were the Satmar, an ultra-Orthodox sect whose members often behave as though they have special rights, as though the laws of New York don’t apply to them.”

Well, the Orthodox Jewish Community in Brooklyn is approximately ten percent of the Borough’s 2.5M people. However, they do not represent even one percent of major crimes. Detractors will claim ‘you guys are not in the crime book because you hide your crimes; you deal with it on your own.’ Em, Murder, Robberies, Felony Assaults, largely take place in public and I doubt we Hasidim have a tool to “hide” those public crimes.

 Here are the crimes and the amount of them that took place in Brooklyn South and in Brooklyn North this year through the last weekend:

  • 135 murders; none of them committed by Orthodox Jews.
  • 6,390 Robberies; non-to-few of them committed by Orthodox Jews.
  • 5,905 Burglaries; non-to-few of them committed by Orthodox Jews.
  • 10,302 Grand Larcenies; non-to-few of them committed by Orthodox Jews.
  • A huge portion of the “Satmars” are located in the 90th precinct in Brooklyn, none of the 8 murders this year in the precinct, and few of the other 3,105 major or small crimes were committed by them.

The question now begs: If when it comes to all sorts of crimes, the Orthodox Jewish Community in general and Hasidim specifically do not represent even 1/10 of their percent of the population, why suggest that when it comes to abuses, they are worse than or as bad as any other group in NYC? Why would people who are law-abiding in all type of crimes, suddenly be worse than anyone else when it comes to abuse? Why do we deserve this hateful coverage?

Do I deny that the community has issues? No, I don’t deny it, but there is a huge space between “having issues” vs. being the scum of the earth. Besides, in main street America, only 12 out of 100 accused of sexual abuse are arrested; only 5 out of 100 are found guilty; and only 3 out of 100 land up in prison. I have yet to see evidence that the numbers are worse among Hasidim, and I have yet to see any report mentioning these stats when talking about the “under reporting of sexual abuses” in the Hasidic Community.

The Low Arresting Rate of Abuses in Main Strem America; a Fact That Few Editors in the NY Press/Media See Fit to Mention When Bashing Hasidim (Source: RAINN.Org)

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29 Comments.

  1. Agree!

  2. Wow!! Word, man. WORD!

  3. Absolutely right.

  4. Yossi so good

  5. You are Absolutely right

  6. Right on.

  7. Well said.

  8. Listen! Thats media…

  9. Based on Facts! you are right.. The sad part is that the ones Supporting the media with those comments are some part of Orthodox/Hasidim

  10. 100% right.

  11. How many crimes in the Orthodox communities are not reported because the accusers or the witnesses to the crimes are afraid to be labeled a “Musser”? Take that away and the numbers will rise!

    • I adress this stupid argument in the article

      • I can’t find it. Can you quote it? Oh and if it’s so stupid what made you aDdress in the article?

        • Do you really believe that there is murders and robbery’s that frum people are committing, but its not reeported because of mesura? If does crimes are committed the detective are getting them with out mesura…

          • A crime is a crime regardless if it’s violent or not. There might not be many, if any murders, But there are assault’s, abuse, fraud, theft and scams. In most cases either the victims don’t contiplate going to authorities and those who do back off because of fear and community pressure.

        • Yes Dummy: Well, the Orthodox Jewish Community in Brooklyn is approximately ten percent of the Borough’s 2.5M people. However, they do not represent even one percent of major crimes. Detractors will claim ‘you guys are not in the crime book because you hide your crimes; you deal with it on your own.’ Em, Murder, Robberies, Felony Assaults, largely take place in public and I doubt we Hasidim have a tool to “hide” those public crimes.

  12. I hate you Yossi but wow this is WORD!!

  13. Brich shemi

    Yossi you are 100%right about the point you made on zev brenner , that the media is biased againsed the orthordox Jews , they always talks about the bad thing of our community but about the chased (good) they don’t talk , all the organization we have and helped at the sandy hurricane when the red cross and FEMA wasn’t able to find !
    Keep it up Yossi !!

  14. Williamsburg

    No one said that there is more abuse or crime in the charidi community then secular or modern Orthodox communities, however what the reporters are saying is that our rabbis dayanim and leaders strongly discourage reporting and dealing with child abuse in any way shape or form. There isn’t a bethdin that deals with these issue’s and I challenge you!!! name a dayan in boropark or williamsburg that allows reporting of a charidi child abuser, not in theory in practice .

    We are the only community in the entire country that dons’t allow reporting!!!!

  15. All you write is superb. You might have added that some of the antipathy stems from dislike of Jews in general or listed the specific numbers for each of the crimes, but it still is marvelous. My sole criticism would be the graph. What America needs to do more than ever is to celebrate its massive success in general against crime. Look at the crime rates at the FBI website to see that the rates have dramatically dropped. The reason to not talk about excessive crime in general, apart from its being untrue, is that then the other real problem we have, a humongous excess of prisoners, goes unaddressed. Also, then an even worse problem arises, the Democratic & Republican parties compete to see who can put people in jail the longest.

  16. yossi keep it up

  17. Yossi, You haven’t accurately characterized the Post editorial. Assuming you correctly quote it here, the editorial simply states whose members often behave as though they have special rights, as though the laws of New York don’t apply to them. That is not to suggest that Satmer cumulatively represent any significant percentage of criminals. The editorial is in fact accurate, and doesn’t mention CRIMES per se, but that chassidim act as if LAWS don’t apply to them.

    Ever drive thru WillyB or BP? Isn’t illegal parking a crime? Yet those neighborhoods are notorious for that. It is inconsiderate and selfish. And it reflects exactly what the Post editorial states. Need more examples?

    How many times have Chassidim in those neighborhoods ignored zonig laws? Have you been to Monsey lately? No one can deny that a chassidim turned a once bucolic bedroom community into a ghetto-like urban sprawl by ignoring ignoring zoning and then relying on RLUIPA and other court battles to kosher up their behavior – Exactly what the Post describes.

    Chassidim do in fact behave like the laws don’t apply – laws across the spectrum from the benign to the felonious. Often they result in chillul Hashem. To deny that or defend that rather than acknowledge it and try to repair the image is to make matters worse.

    A recent tweet I saw drove home the point, and I found it very sad. I know the chassidic community well, and know the chesed done, the wonderful things done at the drop of a hat when needed – again, the stereotypes are unfair – but this tweet was heartbreaking. A goy presumably, tweeted: “How to become a Hasid in 3 easy steps” 1, grow sidecurls, 2, wear a long black gabardine frock, 3, treat everyone like an a**hole.

    In every joke and stereotype there is truth, and that is a very sad commentary on a wonderful community that often behaves like the laws don’t apply to them.

    • I think u forgot to mention another violent crime, jay walking, well many chasidim are guilty of it, as are most New Yorkers under 80 years old..

  18. 1000% right! i asked a reporter if he wants to come visit with me the ten’s of major org. offices in williamsburgh led by satmar’s, and visit the naighboring non jews who live arround us and ask them if they wana move and sell their houses.
    Surprising his reply was: “you think we don’t know this all?! what can I do that good news is no news…..!!!??”

    That says it all I think!

  19. Yossi respond

    Yossi respond to the real issue

    Our Rabbonim Dayanim and leaders, strongly discourage (and ban) reporting and dealing with child abusers in any way shape or form. There isn’t a Beth Din or institution that deals with these issue’s within our community. I challenge you!!! name a dayan in boropark or williamsburg that allows reporting of a charidi child abuser, not in theory in practice .

    We are the only community in the entire country that dons’t allow reporting!!!!

    Thats the problem, no one ever accused us of higher abuse and crime rates, then the rest of our country. The calthlic chuch came under similar attacks

  20. warning Krypniks family sick man like Evgeniy Sadomskiy are tretened his own family and Alex Krypnik they ware at the restaraunt they planed to kill Alex and his wife Lenna over some money Evgeniny seys Krypniks are millioneres Krypnik watch the Sadomskiys family they are in troble they fighting every day!!!!!!!!!!!!

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